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“Civil War” Photo of a Pterodactyl

A real animal in a 19th century photograph

By Jonathan Whitcomb

This is nothing close to an exhaustive coverage of the Ptp image of an apparent huge “pterodactyl” with six apparent Civil War soldiers. See the following blog-post link for details about the relevance of the belt buckles and other evidences for the authenticity of the original image:

Pterodactyl “Civil War” Photo

But here, in contrast, we make only a brief overview and cover the significance of those belt buckles only a bit.

A real animal in a 19th century photographPtp image of six apparent soldiers next to a gigantic flying creature

Were these men Civil War Reenactors?

No, these apparent 19th century American soldiers were actually what they appear to be, almost: They were most likely photographed between about 1866 and 1880. In other words, they were not technically Civil War soldiers, at least not at the time they were photographed.

How can we be sure? These soldiers, uniforms, and equipment differ from those of the common Union soldiers during that war: The belt buckles are not oval but rectangular; the men had pistol holsters, almost unheard of for common Union soldiers during most of the war; the men seem to be a bit too well fed to be from the war period, although that is not as significant as the other points about belt buckles and holsters.

So doesn’t that mean that these men must be Civil War reenactors, with uniforms and holsters that were mistakes? No, not at all. Look at a hundred photos of common “Union” soldier reenactors (not officers). You might not see even one of them with a rectangular belt buckle.

In addition, you will not see even one common Union soldier reenactor with a pistol holster. Why? The great majority of such reenactors appear to be very accurate in their uniforms and equipment, making it look as much as reasonably possible for them to appear to be Union soldiers.

Yet there is often a weighty problem with 20th century and 21st century American Civil War reenactors: A significant number of them are much heavier than the average soldiers that they portray.

Civil War reenactor soldier - too big for his uniform

Heavyset Civil War reenactor “soldier” (NOT in Ptp)

That does not prove positively that those six men could not have been photographed in recent decades to make a fake pterodactyl “photo”, but it does put that possibility into serious doubt. It is far more likely that Ptp, in its original form, was a genuine photograph of real soldiers with a real and huge flying creature.

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small sapling tree broken down - probably real object moved

Evidence a small sapling tree may have been broken down to allow a real object to be dragged into the clearing shown in the Ptp image

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Pterodactyl Photo in a Youtube Video

This is a blog post about a video on a Youtube channel.

Near the beginning of the video, the image is compared with a photo hoax of several Civil War reenactors who helped create a fake photo for the Freakylinks TV show of two decades ago.

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Pterodactyl Kills Chickens and House Cats in Nevada

A particular modern pterosaur has now been tied to chicken loses in both central Utah and in Nevada. Earlier in October of 2021 I gave it the name “Draper Ropen”, and it was last seen in a rural neighborhood of Nevada on October 2, 2021.

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Pterodactyl Sightings in Videos

I recently saw something that has blown my mind. After a week of people thinking I’m crazy . . . I have located your contact info . . . decided to write you in regards to a recent [sighting] in the foothills of North Carolina. I saw some type of flying creature in [the] sky on the evening of 8/28/2020.

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Pterodactyl Sightings in North America

. . . a sighting report from a small village south of Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, and the flying creature was enormous.

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Vivre ptérosaure dans l’Ohio

C’est dans la ville de Columbus, tôt le matin. Une mère avec sa jeune fille, alors qu’ils attendaient un autobus scolaire. . . .

. . . as we stood there out the corner of my eye, to my left I saw something large flying down the middle of the street. I turned to my left and see a pteradactyl. [spelling should be “pterodactyl”]

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Critics of Living-Pterosaur Investigations

I have examined hundreds of eyewitness reports over the past fifteen years, interviewing eyewitnesses from around the world and receiving first-hand accounts from five continents. Perhaps few persons, if any, have been given more first-hand reports of sightings of apparent pterosaurs than I have.

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Paleontologist Attacks Pterosaur Publications

Can a writer legitimately and honestly use a pseudonym, AKA a pen name? A variety of conditions can validate this old practice, including getting attention to the writing itself rather than the gender or ethnicity of the writer.

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Press Releases on Flying Dinosaurs

We now take a brief look at four press releases about modern pterosaurs, what some people call “pterodactyls” and others call “flying dinosaurs”. They’re seen not only in Papua New Guinea but in the United States.

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New Harmonic System in Music

[one example] The short choir piece is titled “Come to Christ” . . .

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Contact Whitcomb

Communicate by email.

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Glen Kuban’s “Living Pterosaurs”

nonfiction book about a photo of a 19th century pterosaur

By the modern-pterosaur expert Jonathan D. Whitcomb (published May 20, 2017)

We agree to disagree

Glen Kuban (GK) and I have a few things in common. We’ve both been writing about reports of apparent extant pterosaurs (or those who believe in them) for a long time, and we’ve written a lot. I started late in 2003; and GK, in 2004. We differ, however, in how we interpret those reports.

We acknowledge each other’s writings, having greatly disagreed on many points. We sometimes communicate, always in friendly terms, but our basic perspectives do not seem to change much over many years: He believes that no species of pterosaur has survived into the past few centuries; I believe that a number of species live today.

Nevertheless, we seem to agree to disagree without making any accusations of dishonesty and without any name calling. That’s a lot better than writings on other online publications, with other controversial subjects.

Even when we agree on something, we may choose to color the point of agreement differently. For example, we both see the 1856 Illustrated London News story as a hoax, yet I take it in a broader perspective. I see that fake newspaper article in the context of 19th century stories published in the USA, articles that may be more truthful, even as they report what appears to be the same thing: apparent “pterodactyls” that still fly.

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Central California, newspaper article about two dragons in 1891

An 1891 newspaper article about two “pterodactyls” or “dragons” in Central California

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Kuban’s “Living Pterosaurs” article (GKLP): criticisms against LP investigations

No web page ever published online, on the subject of reports of possible extant pterosaurs, is likely to be nearly as long as Glen Kuban’s Living Pterosaurs (“pterodactyls”). As best as I can tell, the version published on May 18, 2017, has over 27,000 words [but see the update at the bottom of the post you are now reading]. That’s longer than my latest printed book: Modern Pterosaurs. As far as I know, when he notices an error of fact on GKLP (or when I point one out to him), he makes a correction, at least sometimes. But the main problem I see in his long article is not that kind of error. I see signs that point to both confirmation bias and belief perseverance, and that combination seems to me to cause a multitude of foundational mistakes in GKLP.

Belief perseverance

Let’s begin with some online writings of the cryptozoologist Dale Drinnon, who is mentioned 11 times in GKLP (May 18th version). A few years ago, I communicated with him regarding his interpretation of a sighting of a potential extant pterosaur in the Philippines: He thought it was an encounter with some kind of fish. He suggested the man in the Philippines had witnessed a stingray (or similar fish) jumping out of water rather than a pterosaur flying overhead.

I had written more than one blog post about that sighting, but one post was short. In that post, is said little except that the eyewitness went to some fishermen, who told them of their own experiences with that kind of flying creature. Because of that reference to fishermen, Dale Drinnon concluded that the original sighting was of a fish jumping out of water. In fact, Drinnon wrote about his interpretation of that sighting.

I communicated with that cryptozoologist, informing him that he had read only a partial account of the original report. A more complete account explained that the sighting was high above a city in the Philippines, not over any body of water. I assumed that this would solve the misunderstanding. How surprised I was when Drinnon still held onto his idea that it was a fish jumping out of water! Years later, I learned that this kind of reasoning error has a name: “belief perseverance.”

In other words, Mr. Drinnon read a partial account, assumed that it was a fish, then refused to change his mind, even after I had told him that the creature was flying over a city.

We need to acknowledge that a person who has once fallen into belief perseverance (or its cousin, confirmation bias) need not always fall into that faulty kind of reasoning. But when the same controversial subject comes up with someone who had once fallen into that kind of error, it can very well happen again. This seems to have happened with Mr. Drinnon.

Confirmation bias

To begin, I used to work with 2D animation, part time, in my own business in Southern California, although I used animation only on occasion and as more like a tool for other projects rather than as a general animation business. The point is this: I had experience with digital image manipulation software, including Photoshop.

Glen Kuban has mentioned Dale Drinnon 11 times in GKLP, in ways suggesting he is a trusted authority. GK has not, apparently, noticed any problem that DD has had with belief perseverance. I do not say or imply that the flying ray-fish conjecture never has any merit, but I do say that DD has fallen into faulty reasoning on at least one occasion with that idea. Since GK appears to support ideas by that cryptozoologist, I’ll mention another problem.

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A real animal in a 19th century photograph

The old photograph that is now called “Ptp” – supported by two scientists as genuine

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For several months, the physicist Clifford Paiva and I have examined the photo Ptp in detail, finding significant points of evidence that it is from before about the year 1870 and that the apparent animal shown in the image was a real animal. In addition, we have found weaknesses in criticisms that have been leveled against the photograph.

Drinnon has mentioned two points in the Ptp photograph that he has assumed are evidences of a Photoshop hoax. From the experiences I have had with Photoshop, and with other digital image manipulation software, I found those two points not only weak but completely wrong. Neither of them have any relationship to Photoshop manipulation.

Yet I needed to carefully examine those places in the photo, to see if Drinnon’s ideas had merit. I found that they completely failed. (One point was missing fingertips with a hand of the soldier on our far left; the other, an apparent “halo” above the head of another soldier.) He also made two other statements, other details that he assumed were evidences of a hoax. I found one of them questionable and the other one totally incorrect.

I then wondered how Drinnon had come to so many blunders in what he had assumed were evidences that Ptp was a hoax photo. The best explanation seems to be this: He fell into a confirmation bias.

Something caused him to assume Ptp was not a valid photograph of a modern pterosaur. He found several details, most of them in the soldiers rather than in the animal, and assumed they were evidence for what he already believed: that the photograph was a hoax. He then concluded that his evidence was valid and published his ideas online. Those points alone suggest he fell into a confirmation bias. Combine that with his previous problem with a belief perseverance and it seems even more likely that this was what happened.

Belief perseverance and confirmation bias with Glen Kuban

I believe that GK has fallen into similar errors in his “Living Pterosaurs” article, but I’ll not examine those possibilities in detail here except for one problem: He seems to assume that a significant number of the reported sightings could be misidentifications of common birds. That assumption seems to have caused him to see only a narrow range of interpretations for descriptions given in sighting reports of apparent pterosaurs.

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Glen Kuban site has these two images

From “Living Pterosaurs” (online article by Glen Kuban)

The above images were taken directly from GKLP, without any change of perspective or spacing. Notice the problem with the Blue Heron conjecture: The sketch by Eskin Kuhn differs a great deal from the appearance of that bird. Notice the clear lack of feather in the lower image (EK sketch). Now see how the legs are built into the wings in that sketch.

I suggest that an objective observer would notice the great differences between the above two images and reject the Blue Heron conjecture in that case and be suspicious of its use for other sightings, unless a particular sighting seems relevant to the Blue Heron idea.

In addition, some of the eyewitnesses of apparent pterosaurs in the United States report that the flange at the end of the tail could not have been feet because the legs of the animal were clearly seen to be separate structures from the tail.

Conclusion

Protecting standard models that originated in the 19th century—that is no guarantee that the one trying to protect those ideas will not fall into confirmation bias or belief perseverance. How greatly we need careful objective evaluations of conflicting ideas, in particular regarding the possibility that at least some of the reported sightings of apparent living pterosaurs have come from actual encounters with that kind of flying creature!

Update: March 22, 2018, by Jonathan Whitcomb

Glen Kuban continues to expand his enormous web page “Living Pterosaurs (‘pterodactyls’)?” (GKLP) and, as far as I can see without devoting hours to researching all of it, probably continues to search for any reason that somebody may doubt that any species of pterosaur escaped extinction.

I now refer to a word count of GKLP, using the online tool found at Word Counter:

>>> Total words of “Living Pterosaurs” — 39,281

Some of the most common words under “Non-Common Keywords” are the following:

>>> whitcomb — 413 (number one)

>>> photo — 235 (number two)

>>> pterosaurs — 234 (number three)

>>> pterosaur — 233 (number four)

I point out the above to justify why I sometimes respond to Kuban’s online publication, for he mentions my name hundreds of times. Let’s take the above in context: The original version of the post you are now reading (published May 20, 2017), my own post, has the following, when submitted to Word Counter:

>>> Total words for the original post you are reading — 2023

Some of the most common words under “Non-Common Keywords” in this (Whitcomb’s response):

~~~ pterosaurs — 19 (number one)

~~~ sighting — 14 (number two)

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Criticism or Lack Thereof

I don’t suggest any dramatic judgment in the above comparisons, with any criticism of the quality of GKLP or any promotion of the quality of my post here; draw whatever conclusions you will. But I do emphasize the enormous size of Kuban’s page. It has nineteen times the word count of the original post I wrote above, according to Word Counter, and if I am only partially correct in my evaluation of his lack of objectiveness then many of his readers can be greatly led away from the truth regarding eyewitness sighting reports of living pterosaurs.

Paleontology or Cryptozoology?

By writing what appears to be the longest online publication, in the world of the internet, on the subject of living pterosaurs, Kuban has inadvertently wandered, in my opinion, into the realm of cryptozoology. As far as I can tell he is really either a paleontologist or an amateur in the field of paleontology, not a cryptozoologist.

What is one of the primary tools used in cryptozoology? Interviewing an eyewitness. Mr. Kuban, on the other hand, has made it clear that he does not use that tool and appears to have no desire to ever use it. In the latest version of GKLP he states, “many alleged eyewitnesses are probably sincere, so there would probably be little to gain from seeking contact with them.”

I don’t recall anywhere in his “Living Pterosaurs” publication where he states that he is a scientist; In my own publications, I sometimes mention that I am a scientist. Yet what is the origin of modern Western science? Was it not in the search for explanations for human experience? If only people would remember that!

Real science should include trying to come to objective and realistic explanations for what people experience. Don’t try to explain away what people see, to protect old assumptions: Allow new discoveries to be made.

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Copyright 2017, 2018 Jonathan David Whitcomb

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Potential Bias and Objectiveness

“To pretend that a real scientist will speak only words of objective truth, with no hint of personal philosophy, is like swimming through images of a 1950’s science fiction movie. Every adult who is not mentally disabled promotes some point of a personal philosophy, almost with every word spoken or written.” [quotation from the fourth edition of the cryptozoology book Searching for Ropens and Finding God]

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Photographie d’un ptérosaure moderne

Avant environ l’année 1870, l’enregistrement d’une photo a pris beaucoup de secondes. Les gens devaient rester immobiles pendant plusieurs secondes. Les accessoires ont été utilisés pour aider les gens à ne pas bouger. Ce type de prop est vu dans Ptp. Il fait partie d’une branche d’un arbre.

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The Pteranodon Photo and Religion

Religion is related to the “Pteranodon” photograph that is now called “Ptp,” but those skeptical comments from critics who assume extreme bias in all Christian supporters of living-pterosaur investigations—those critical comments are incorrect. Paiva and I have looked carefully at this photo, with an open mind about various possibilities of hoaxing. Ptp has survived the close scrutiny extremely well.

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Comparison of two photographs

That’s a hoax-photo, made to promote the Freakylinks TV series that aired on the Fox Network from 2000-2001. The photo on the left, however, is older, apparently seen by many readers of a book in the mid-20th century. With that knowledge, it’s easy to see that the Freakylinks hoax was made to imitate the older photograph.

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Advertisement:

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nonfiction book about a photo of a 19th century pterosaur

The nonfiction cryptozoology book Modern Pterosaurs—the shocking truth about extant “pterodactyls”

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Photograph of a Modern Pterosaur?

cover of the paperback book "The Girl who saw a Flying Dinosaur"

By the world’s leading expert on sighting reports of apparent living pterosaurs, Jonathan Whitcomb

IMPORTANT UPDATE (December 8, 2018):

The original post was written in April of 2013. This is now greatly modified, and now references a new book: The Girl who saw a Flying Dinosaur.

The original version of this post was in support of an apparent 19th century photograph that was labeled “Ptp.” As of early November of 2018, however, I discontinued supporting that image. Someone brought up an image in one of the TV episodes of Walking with Dinosaurs, and one of the wings of a pterosaur (in that animation) was very similar to one of the wings in Ptp. That made it extremely likely that some kind of hoax or hoax-like work had been done on Ptp, even if some of it may have not been constructed from a hoax. I therefore discontinued my research on that image. In fact, I stopped the printing of my book Modern Pterosaurs, for that nonfiction was based primarily on that image (Ptp).

It looks like six Civil War soldiers gathered around an apparent Pteranodon

Did any part of this come from the Civil War? It is no longer supported.

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The following is the revised version of this post (late 2018)

The Girl who saw a Flying Dinosaur has no photo of a modern pterosaur. It has two important sketches, drawn by two eyewitnesses of one or more “pterodactyls” seen at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in the middle of the 20th century.This is the point of this nonfiction book for middle-grade children and younger teenagers: People in different areas of the planet have seen these flying creatures. People from different cultures, with different languages and backgrounds—they have seen the same kind of featherless flying creature.

Purchase one or more copies of this paperback, for gift-giving to kids and teens.

Hand holds book "The Girl who saw a Flying Dinosaur"

NON-fiction paperback The Girl who saw a Flying Dinosaur (by Jonathan David Whitcomb)

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New ‘Dinosaur’ Book for Young Readers

The non-fiction paperback The Girl who saw a Flying Dinosaur introduces a new field of cryptozoology to kids and teens who are about eight to fourteen years old.

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The Girl who saw a Pterodactyl

One critic might dismiss the report by Patty Carson, saying it was just the imagination of a small girl. But why would that US Marine see two flying creatures that were so similar to the one seen by that child? Keep in mind that both reports come from Guantanamo Bay, and the sightings were only six years apart.

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‘Dinosaur’ book for LDS teenagers

My new nonfiction is for middle-grade children and many (but not all) teenagers: The Girl who saw a Flying Dinosaur. This is a short cryptozoology book, not about religion but about eyewitness sightings of apparent living pterosaurs. It invites you to seek the truth behind what people around the world report observing.

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